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That book is un-researched fiction. It's crap. And if a friend of mine was in a BDSM relationship like that I would tell them to find another one.
An abusive relationship is an abusive relationship, not a BDSM relationship. Just because you don't understand or agree with BDSM doesn't mean you get to call the women and men who do life the life misguided or abusive. |
| Posted by Daniel McLaughlin | 04 Dec 2012 |
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While I agree that 50 Shades of Gray is not worth reading I do have to ask a related question. What if Christian had been Christina and Anastasia was Andrew? There are females who take the dominant role over submissive partners of all genders. Professional, female dominatrixes are vastly more common than their male counterparts.
What Ms. Hawthorne fails to understand is the importance of actualized consent in the BDSM subculture. The bottom's (the person receiving the action) has the right to limit what kind of activities occur and to what extent. If they don't like what is happening, they can revoke their consent. The difference is that people in the BDSM subculture openly negotiate what will happen from the first 'date' to the relationship rather than reading between the lines or guessing what the other person wants. Are there people that fail to respect the wishes of their partners? Of course. The BDSM subculture is a microcosm of the mainstream society where d |
| Posted by Bob Scott | 05 Dec 2012 |
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Male makes the claim men who pay women to enact the 'dominatrix' are supposedly reversing the power men have always accorded themselves over women.
In reality those men who pay women to enact sexual domination are enacting their choice and have the financial means to pay a woman to subject them to a little violence. The males paying to have their sexual fetishes gratified in no way lose their male power over women or have their male pseudo right of sexual access to women denied. These men leave the dominatrix after having had their sexual fetishes satisfied and these men's socio-economic power over women remains intact. The man retains his male pseudo right of sexual access to females and he knows he can return to the dominatrix any time because he has the money to pay. This is how prostitution operates wherein it is male demand which causes prostitution to exist and yet men continue to claim it is prostituted women who have the power. Deliberate male attempts at revers |
| Posted by Hecuba | 17 Dec 2012 |
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I am just as critical of Christinas as I am of Christian. If you read the end of the blog you'll see that I mention being critical of queers who think BDSM is fine. I don't care what sex those involved are, they are all forms of abuse.
I think it's possible that some readers of Fifty Shades think that consenting to abuse is better, in fact that line is a con. Have you noticed when consent is requested: it is always in cir(edited)stances of power: you sign a consent form with a doctor when the treatment might have fatal consequences; the powerful want consent from the powerless because it protects them legally. BDSM consent falls into this same category. |
| Posted by Bernadette | 05 Feb 2013 |
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Susan thank you very much for this great,true,important article.
In the horrendous,sexualized male dominance,sexist inequality,violence and woman-hating Fifty Shades of Grey series Anna doesn't consent to most of the torturous sex and is often afraid of Christian as many people who have read these horrendous books have said! And even if she had so called ''consented'', it still would be sick woman-hating abuse!
As I already posted on many sites including my blog,
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com
a lot of information about,he even rapes her vag*nally more than once,he brutally rapes her a*nally after she tells him that she doesn't want to have sh*hole sex with him,she says he then tied her up and he f**ked me hard up the a**! This is after he tells her he wants to brutally put his fist in her rectum,but she doesn't want this so the ''sweetheart'' agrees not to do this,so he a*nally brutally rapes her instead!
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| Posted by Topazthecat | 12 Jun 2018 |
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| She also tells Christian that she's a virgin and he says I'm going to f*ck you now hard, and she then says and then he slams into me (with a huge hard (edited) which makes it even more violent and sadistic just like in typical woman-hating,violent pornography) and he rips out my virginity and I feel a pinching pain and she cries out in pain. Out of the many people who gave the Fifty Shades of Grey books bad reviews including some feminist analysis and criticism,they compared Christian Grey to a serial killer,some said he's like Ted Bundy,and a domestic violence social worker said in her bad amazon.com review that he's just like the next Green River serial killer.They also said that it's like he raped her the first time they had sex,and others said it's like he rapes her everytime,and he says in the books I don't make love I f*ck hard just like in the typical pornography E.L.James watched while writing this horrendous series,and quite a few women said would you want your daughte |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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daughter to date and or marry a man like Christian Grey?!
He also beats her pregnant stomach with a belt in the last third book after she supposedly changes him for the better,and leaves welts all over her body because as a youtube reviewer said she disobeyed him like a dog!
And more horrendous etc etc,and this is what our sick world has become engrossed in and loves! And this in addition to physically,sexually and psychologically totruring her.
And this is what so many women are sickly,incomrpehensibly,cold heartedly defending and supporting!
Shallow minded people,look in the mirror,your the kettle calling it black! and if their daughter,or daughters,sister or sisters if they have them,mother or close female friends,gets sexually assaulted by a man or men who show them pornography,and or refer to it,and refer to Fifty Shades of Grey(and now thanks to this horrendous damaging Fifty Shades of horror they can have even more of a |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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a weapon to say women *want* and *like* to be sexually abused by men and there are more than a few women who have said their abusive husbands read Fifty Shades of Grey and abused them pressuring them to do the violent abusive sex in it!), and force them to do what is in it,as many research studies and testimonies of women and children have shown happened to them with men using pornography,then they would wake up big time!
Please see what the first poster radical feminist HECUBA, in the comments says in response to this great article Sadistic Abuse Is Not Romantic about the horrendous Fifty Shades of Grey,she says exactly what a guy said on some blog not long after the books came out,that the Fifty Shades author E.L.James watched a lot of hardcore pornography on web sites and DVD's in writing her books,in addition to also admitting she based it also on the Twilight series,two other sexist,woman-hating,male dominated violent materials besides her own!HECUBA says sh |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 12 Jun 2018 |
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she took from men's porn sites in creating her vile woman-hating book series and film and she rightly says that to tell the truth it's Fifty Shades of male sexual violence that is not sexy or romantic!
As you can see I posted a ton of great important information on the harms of these books and movie. Melinda Tankard Reist who wrote this great article thanked me on her site after I had only posted three posts,she said as you can see,thank you for all of your brilliant research! Then she said it's going to take her days off to read it all and she said she really appreciates it.
http://melindatankardreist.com/2015/02/sadistic-abuse-is-not-romantic/comment-page-3/#comment-26392''
This guy who reviewed Fifty Shades of Grey gave it a 5 star review and got over 200 Facebook shares and many blog likes including very disturbingly by a male therapist! This guy describes how this is what your mother is reading and getting off to,and he desc |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 12 Jun 2018 |
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describes how Christian ducts tapes Ana who he describes as a young girl, to a chair, blind folds her,gags her,beats the sh*t out of her, then pulls a tampon out of her cooch and f*cks her period p**sy,before spraying,hot salty jizz all over her face.He then says with his huge c*ck,his huge,huge c*ck so huge that she's scared of it. He also says how the girl,meaning Ana had to interview him for the school paper when her cub roommate journalist got sick and then he tracked her down and made the girl his f*ck slave.
This is all so horrible eroticized,sexualized,men's violence,degrading,and hatred of women exactly just like typical pornography does! No wonder E.L.James admitted she watched a lot of typical hard core pornography online as she wrote the Fifty Shades books!
http://delicioustacos.com/2012/03/23/book-review-fifty-shades-of-grey-by-e-l-james/\ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 12 Jun 2018 |
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Jane Fonda who Is Usually A Feminist is Disturbingly Staring In A New Comedy Movie out in May About Women Who Love To Read Fifty Shades of Grey! Actresses Candice Bergen,Diane Keaton, Mary Steenburgen also star in this new movie.
In the trailer for this new movie Jane Fonda says to her female friends, with a smile on her face let me introduce you to Christian Grey and says I hear this book is quite stimulating.Candice Bergen's character says that God did not intend for him to do these things to her body,and Jane Fonda's character says speak for yourself,so Candice Bergen says that wasn't God it was doctor,and then I don't know what she said. Mary Steenburgen is shown talking on her phone asking Diane Keaton has she ever been spanked and that this book has gotten her in a tizzy.
This article terribly describes this movie as portraying Fifty Shades sexually ''liberating'' and changing their sex lives for the better.
https://www.hollyw |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/book-club-trailer-diane-keaton-jane-fonda-get-fired-up-fifty-shades-grey-1090190
The new comedy movie is called Book Club and in the US it reached # 3 and has earned 12 million dollars so far.
The trailer had over 7,000 likes in April,it now has over 8,000 on youtube so far and in April it had only over 200 now it has over 800 dislikes mine included.
Of course most of these youtube comments about this new terrible movie and the trailer shown are supportive but I just read 2 sensible comments from posters Other Pill who said it's a cancerous movie influenced by a cancerous book,& kano Sazanami said also Metoo applauds Fifty Shades proves that movement is a f*cking joke.Other Pill said now I can understand why some of the French feminists criticized the Metoo movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=LDxgPIsv6sY
Jane Fonda has even worked educating agai |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/book-club-trailer-diane-keaton-jane-fonda-get-fired-up-fifty-shades-grey-1090190
The new comedy movie is called Book Club and in the US it reached # 3 and has earned 12 million dollars so far.
The trailer had over 7,000 likes in April,it now has over 8,000 on youtube so far and in April it had only over 200 now it has over 800 dislikes mine included.
Of course most of these youtube comments about this new terrible movie and the trailer shown are supportive but I just read 2 sensible comments from posters Other Pill who said it's a cancerous movie influenced by a cancerous book,& kano Sazanami said also Metoo applauds Fifty Shades proves that movement is a f*cking joke.Other Pill said now I can understand why some of the French feminists criticized the Metoo movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=LDxgPIsv6sY
Jane Fonda has even worked educating agai |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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Jane Fonda has even worked educating against domestic violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Fonda
And she said in a 2017 People Magazine interview that she was raped as a child and that she always thought it was her fault,she also said that her mother was also exually abused as a child and that she thinks that's the main reason she committed suicide when Jane was 12.
http://people.com/movies/jane-fonda-reveals-she-was-raped-and-sexually-abused-as-a-child-i-always-thought-it-was-my-fault/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 12 Jun 2018 |
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In this Variety very good review of Book Club the director,producer and c0-writer Bill Holderman ludicrously says that he bought hos own mother The Fifty shades trilogy books as good son would,and co-writer Erin Simms says she though that was crazy,so she then bought her mother and stepmother the Fifty shades trilogy too!
In the comments to this Variety article, poster Young khil so rightly says,NY attorney Schneiderman (meaning Eric) read Fifty shades and then acted it out,why are we glorifying abusing women EVEN IT'S CONSENSUAL?
Of course many feminists and amazon.com bad reviews have said Ana doesn't consent to most of Christian Grey's sadistic woman-hating,male dominated violence,but even if she did it would still be exactly these horrible unjust things!
Here are 7 pages worth of mostly good reviews for Book Club including by a lot of women movie reviewers and *no one* has even mentioned how woman-hating,& sadistically violent Christ |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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Christian Grey to Ana really is and the Fifty Shades of Grey books in general are.
Here are 7 pages worth of mostly good reviews for Book Club,
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/book_club/reviews/?sort=
And here are already 97 mostly good-great reviews from mostly women on the Internet Movie Database
Here are whole bunch more,
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/book-club?ftag=MCD-06-10aaa1c
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6857166/reviews?ref_=tt_urv |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 12 Jun 2018 |
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CHANGE.ORG Has 2 Important Petitions Against the Fifty Shades Of Freed Movie since February over 2000 Have Signed it and there are many powerful comments from people who signed about how violent,harmful and woman-hating Fifty Shades of Grey really is they want to reach 5000
But they are strangely silent about the Book Club hit movie which as someone said is getting more good reviews than all 3 Fifty Shades Of films combined. Not only that but this movie stars what many people are calling veteran legendary movie superstars,Jane Fonda,Mary Steenburgen, Diane Keaton all who won academy awards, Candice Bergen was nominated but she won several Emmy awards for her performances in her 1980's hit TV show Murphy Brown.
Their second petition is against Ann Sommers Partnering with PornHub they have over 2000 signatures they need to get to 2,500
https://www.change.org/p/tell-universal-pictures-to-cancel-fifty-shades-freed-in-light-of-me |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 12 Jun 2018 |
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https://www.change.org/p/tell-universal-pictures-to-cancel-fifty-shades-freed-in-light-of-metoo-movement?recruiter=55135522&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial.undefined.nafta_petition_show_share_buttons.control.nafta_psf_sequential_1.control&utm_content=nafta_fb_canonical_share_3%3Acanonical
Sign the Petition
www.change.org
Tell Universal Pictures to Cancel Fifty Shades Freed, in Light of
#MeToo Movement
https://www.change.org/p/ann-summers-dump-pornhub/w?source_location=petition_show |
| Posted by topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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Susan I had posted your great article a long time ago on my important blog,50shadesofharm,but I posted it on there again today.
And this horrible movie Book Club is unjustly,dangerously, ludicrously portraying these elderly women's sex and love lives improving for the better as soon as they read all 3 Fifty Shades of Grey books that they quote from and discuss often including specifically sadistic violent woman-hater Christian Grey!
I really wish some organization (s) would protest and boycott this horrible,damaging movie. |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 12 Jun 2018 |
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in this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.l.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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in this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.l.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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in this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.l.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.l.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.l.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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In this 2015 TV interview Fifty Shades of Grey author E.L.James says one of her inspirations for the BDSM in Fifty shades of Grey was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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Something went wrong with your web site and my posts wasn't getting posted so I tried again,but it still wasn't working,and so I had to keep trying,but it still wasn't working and then I ended getting a whole bunch of the same posts getting posted.
But I was trying to post that in this 2015 TV interview with the author of the Fifty Shades of Grey books,E.l.James ,she says one of the inspirations for writing the BDSM in Fifty Shades was reading Macho (edited)s by Pat Califia back in the day.
https://50shadesofharm.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/in-this-interview-fifty-shades-of-grey-author-e-l-james-says-that-1-of-her-inspirations-for-writing-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-the-lesbian-bdsm-bookmacho-(edited)s-by-pat-califia/ |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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| The book by Pat Califia is Macho S***s |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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Also here is a great academic study by domestic violence social worker and professor Diane McDaniel called,Representations Of Partner Violence In Young Adult Literature:Dating Violence In Stephenie Meyer's Twilight Saga and she says that the best selling Fifty shades Of Grey trilogy was based on it and rewritten with a name change to avoid plaigarism,which a lot of other people have said,and E.L.James herself has said that she is a big fan of the Twilight movies and books.
https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/bitstream/handle/2152/23201/MCDANIEL-DISSERTATION-2013.pdf?sequence=1 |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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| And Stephenie Meyer is a Mormon and Mormon's have very sexist old fashioned attitudes and beliefs about gender roles and gender stereotypes. |
| Posted by Topazthecat | 13 Jun 2018 |
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| Very disturbingly and messed up. even the blog Women's Voices For Change reviewed the movie Book Club,the woman who reviewed it didn't give it a great review but she didn't give it a bad one either and she says that the elderly women in the movie played by Jane Fonda,Diane Keaton,Candice Bergen and Mary Steenburgen get inspired after they read the Fifty Shades of Grey books without any mention at all how sexist,sadistically violent and woman-hating Christian Grey is and the Fifty Shades books in general really are. |
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On this parents,kids and family media review site,only this woman Jan H was sensible and gave Book Club a 1 star and titled her review Disgusting, And said in her bad review,Disgusting based on a disgusting book they all read for book club. She got 25, I gave her the 26th votes so far for helping people decide not to see this horrible movie.
https://www.commonsensemedia.org/users/janh-3
https://www.commonsensemedia.org/users/janh-3 |
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Disturbingly there are men and women giving Book Club great 4 and 5 stars and recommending 14 and 15 year olds see it! one reviewer davispittman gave it 3 stars and said it's lifted by it's legendary cast and says very disturbingly at the end of their review,Honestly teenagers 15 and older should get and handle all the material here.
Yep we have to train girls and boys young to find men's irrational woman-hatred,domination,and sadistic violence sexy,normal,romantic and erotic!
https://www.commonsensemedia.org/movie-reviews/book-club/user-reviews/adult |
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Book Club
Book Club Movie: Diane, Sharon, Vivian, and Carol at book club
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WHAT PARENTS NEED TO KNOW
Parents need to know that Book Club is a comedy about four best friends (Jane Fonda, Candice Bergen, Diane Keaton, Mary Steenburgen) whose lives change after they agree to read Fifty Shades of Grey together. E.L. James' trilogy plays a prominent role in the movie; it's quoted and discussed several times and acts as |
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a catalyst for each of the women to re-examine the state of her own love life. Not surprisingly, there are many obvious references to sex, several scenes of flirting and kissing, jokes about erections, and a couple of shots of couples who are either about to have sex or have just had it. Expect occasional strong language (including one use of "f---ed up") and lots of drinking (especially of white wine). Teens may not be especially interested, but the movie does have strong messages about female friendships and healthy relationships.
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WHAT'S THE STORY?
BOOK CLUB follows four 60-something Southern California best friends who've been meeting and discussing books since they were in their 20s. Single hotelier Vivian (Jane Fonda) never demands more than casual sex from men. Federal judge Sharon (Candice Bergen) has been celibate for the 18 years since she divorced her husband. Recently widowed stay-at-home mom Diane (Diane Keaton) is at odds with her two adult daughters, who want her to move near them in Arizona. And chef Carol (Mary Steenburgen) is happily married to newly retired Bruce (Craig T. Nelson); they love each other but haven't been intimate in six months. When it's Vivian's turn to pick the next book, she gives everyone Fifty Shades of Grey. At first the women balk at reading erotica, but as they read E.L. James' trilogy, they each rediscover their "inner goddesses," whether it's through online dating (for Sharon), flirting with a handsome pilot (Andy Garcia) for Diane, or rekindling an ol |
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an old flame(Don Johnson) for Vivian.
WHAT'S THE STORY?
BOOK CLUB follows four 60-something Southern California best friends who've been meeting and discussing books since they were in their 20s. Single hotelier Vivian (Jane Fonda) never demands more than casual sex from men. Federal judge Sharon (Candice Bergen) has been celibate for the 18 years since she divorced her husband. Recently widowed stay-at-home mom Diane (Diane Keaton) is at odds with her two adult daughters, who want her to move near them in Arizona. And chef Carol (Mary Steenburgen) is happily married to newly retired Bruce (Craig T. Nelson); they love each other but haven't been intimate in six months. When it's Vivian's turn to pick the next book, she gives everyone Fifty Shades of Grey. At first the women balk at reading erotica, but as they read E.L. James' trilogy, they each rediscover an old flame (Don Johnson) for Vivian. |
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IS IT ANY GOOD?
No matter how you feel about the Fifty Shades of Grey books, it's a treat to watch this quartet of excellent actresses on screen together, although the comedy is only somewhat entertaining. Although it would be wonderful for the 65-and-over actresses to perform in a film that didn't involve Fifty Shades as a central plot point, it's undeniably amusing to see them banter in this Nancy Meyers-like comedy. (Gorgeous homes? Check! Keaton's trademark costume style? Check! Sexagenarian romance? Check! All-white cast? Check ...) It's also refreshing for a movie to offer the possibility that older women can be with younger men (Johnson is 12 years younger than Fonda, and Garcia is 10 years younger than Keaton) and to cast acclaimed actors like Wallace Shawn, Ed Begley Jr., and Richard Dreyfuss in supporting roles. |
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| The characters' various love stories are unevenly played out, with Keaton's and Fonda's the most traditionally romantic, Bergen's played for laughs (she finds her suitors through online dating), and Steenburgen's somewhat bittersweet except for a predictable sequence involving Viagra and its long-lasting effects. But it's not the romances that make this film watchable, it's the supportive relationships between the women. The dialogue is authentic -- as is the high amount of alcohol consumption associated with women's book clubs (it's unclear how the characters were functional at their jobs after drinking so much wine). Two of the best parts of the movie are the breathtaking California and Arizona locations and the nostalgic soundtrack, which ranges from Paul Simon and Meat Loaf to Tom Petty and Roxy Music. |
| Posted by Topazthecat1000 | 13 Jun 2018 |
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| The characters' various love stories are unevenly played out, with Keaton's and Fonda's the most traditionally romantic, Bergen's played for laughs (she finds her suitors through online dating), and Steenburgen's somewhat bittersweet except for a predictable sequence involving Viagra and its long-lasting effects. But it's not the romances that make this film watchable, it's the supportive relationships between the women. The dialogue is authentic -- as is the high amount of alcohol consumption associated with women's book clubs (it's unclear how the characters were functional at their jobs after drinking so much wine). Two of the best parts of the movie are the breathtaking California and Arizona locations and the nostalgic soundtrack, which ranges from Paul Simon and Meat Loaf to Tom Petty and Roxy Music. |
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TALK TO YOUR KIDS ABOUT …
Families can talk about who the target audience for Book Club is. How can you tell? Why do you think there are relatively few films featuring older women?
Which characters do you consider role models in the movie? Why?
What role does drinking play in the characters' lives? Do you think they drink responsibly?
Why do you think the Fifty Shades books are so popular, even among those who haven't read the trilogy? Why do you think they've made such an impact on popular culture? |
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Here is the link to the Common Sense Media review
https://www.commonsensemedia.org/movie-reviews/book-club |
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Very disturbingly,the AARP which is an American organization for retired people ages 50 and older,promoted Book Club in 2017 and recently gave it a great 5 star review and recommends it!
https://www.aarp.org/entertainment/movies-for-grownups/info-2018/book-club-movie-review.html
https://www.aarp.org/entertainment/movies-for-grownups/info-2017/50-shades-inspired-movie-book-club-fd.html |
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Ironically critically acclaimed radical feminist author of 1989's great,important book,Refusing To Be a Man:Essays On Sex And Justice John Stoltenberg was the senior editor of AARP Magazine from 2004-2012 and he wrote this powerful,important radical feminist strong criticism and analysis of Fifty Shades Of Grey and of sadomasochism in general,
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/03/09/fifty-shades-of-gay-coming-soon/ |
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This is part of a paragraph from the 2004 feminist anthology,Not For Sale:Feminists Resisting Prostitution And Pornography edited by Christine Stark and professor Rebecca Whisnant, they explain that Pat Califia,now Patrick in 1983 carved a swastika on a woman's arm without her consent, and
https://books.google.com/books?id=Gnc1pzXbG_YC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=Pat+Califia+carved+a+swastika++Not+For+Sale:Feminists+Resisting+Prostitution+And+Porography&source=bl&ots=cPPxaiuzrA&sig=vOvfp8nJAz99edIXi2wOCSk-Do8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPu7afqdPbAhUJw1kKHQu0AoUQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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Pat in her now,his writing repeatedly glorified, sexual objectification,/daddy/girl, incest,and master/slave sex scenes.
They quote Pat from her BDSM writing, My lover/slave has her c*nt shaved,it reminds her that I own her genitals and reinforces her role as my child and property. |
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